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Question: What’s the tribe’s name again. Altace without prescription, Marshall: The Orang Asilie. This is interesting. It’s not their name, it’s the name the surrounding cultures call them and it means “primitive people”.

People usually ask what were you doing there teaching them Giraffe [nonviolent communication] language when they have their own Giraffe language. It’s sad; they were doing quite well. They live in the forest where trees have great economic value in the outside world, so now logging companies are intruding on their space, altace without prescription. They don’t know how to speak Giraffe with Jackal speaking people. They have one senator who represents 60,000 people. In Malaysia, they heard about my work and asked me if I could do something. He says “You know there are consultants who will show us how to use guns, there’s no shortage of these, to get our land back.” The senator hoped there is another way.

It is not fashionable, anthropologically or linguistically, to suggest that language can actually influence how people think and act (a/k/a the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis). Altace without prescription, So it might be worth pointing out that there is no particular reason the causality has to flow in the language->culture direction for the Orang Asilie, rather than the other way round.

UPDATE: Initially-forgotten link here; thanks to Ed Hand for asking for it in comments. For the record, if you go on to read the rest of the piece, it moves into some areas where I do not find myself in agreement with Dr. Rosenberg, e.g. the worries about violence in media as an indoctrination technique and the wholesale acceptance of Walter Wink's ideas about "Domination Culture." But I thought this Orang Asilie stuff was interesting.

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And also looking just at the physical and not the places where it comes from makes things just a little too easy for people like me who are lucky enough to have avoided giving or receiving much physical violence in our lives, not necessarily through any virtue of our own – but who have as much to learn as anyone about the emotional, interpersonal kind.

That's really important to me. One of the things about the NVC thing is that it challenges me where I'm at. I'm lucky enough not to be in a situation where I'm threatened with, or feel the need to use, physical violence, at all. Sterapred without prescription, That would make it really easy for me to advocate "non-violence" in the same way that it is easy for a eunuch to preach chastity. I can see the resentment that someone who by choice or by chance is in a position where physical violence is a part of their lives would have for someone like me who dares to judge them for it from a position of suburban safety. (N.B.: I don't want to judge people, including people who use violence.)

I've engaged in a lot of communicative violence in my life, including in this blog (including a lot of posts that aren't here anymore because at one point I was so discouraged about where the blog was going that I trashed it). I still do -- look at this post from yesterday. Despite my disclaimers about it just being a look inside my head, arguably it belittles people I was disagreeing with. That ain't nonviolent, sterapred without prescription. It's part of the problem.

I think a lot of the reaction against people who object to violence tends to come from a dislike for that kind of hypocrisy, and a perception that physical violence is not different on a deep level from many kinds of interaction that few think to condemn.

It's certainly true that the reason that more privileged folk can avoid being personally involved in physical violence is that other people are doing it for them. I don't think that means it has to or should be that way, but it's sure true that "that way" is deeply embedded in the fabric of society, and denying it doesn't help.

OK, that's all that's running through my head for now. Gonna publish and come back to this if I think of more to say later.

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There were some things I liked a lot about what he's saying, so I'm going to keep reading. But I have a grain of salt ready.

UPDATE: Finished Wink. It was a book with a lot of great information on topics I care a lot about, and with a lot of stuff that really made me think, and a lot of stuff I really agree with. However, the book as a whole didn't make me go yes, yes, YES. the way some do. I like the book a lot, and huge parts of it I'm totally on board for, and I learned a lot of cool thigns from it, but there is enough in it that doesn't quite work for me that it's not on my list of "wonderful turn-your-mind-inside-out books."

The Powers that Be is described as a condensation and popularization of Wink's trilogy of more academic theological works on the Powers, and I might or might not like those better.