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	<title>Comments on: Mindfulness</title>
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		<title>By: Vasily</title>
		<link>http://goesping.org/archives/2005/12/14/mindfulness/comment-page-1/#comment-6907</link>
		<dc:creator>Vasily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding logismoi, a monk told a friend of mine that one should view the mind as a stream, with many thoughts floating in it. One observes the thoughts without becoming attached to them. This practice can lead to discernment, being able to recognize the "obsessive thought viruses" for what they are. In that sense, I suspect Langer's view of watchfulness is closer to the Orthodox understanding than the Buddhist view. For an in-depth discussion of nepsis, the nous, logismoi, etc. see "Orthodox Psychotherapy: The Science of the Fathers," by Metropolitan Hierotheos (available on Amazon: see http://tinyurl.com/mohf7).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding logismoi, a monk told a friend of mine that one should view the mind as a stream, with many thoughts floating in it. One observes the thoughts without becoming attached to them. This practice can lead to discernment, being able to recognize the &#8220;obsessive thought viruses&#8221; for what they are. In that sense, I suspect Langer&#8217;s view of watchfulness is closer to the Orthodox understanding than the Buddhist view. For an in-depth discussion of nepsis, the nous, logismoi, etc. see &#8220;Orthodox Psychotherapy: The Science of the Fathers,&#8221; by Metropolitan Hierotheos (available on Amazon: see <a href="http://tinyurl.com/mohf7" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/mohf7</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://goesping.org/archives/2005/12/14/mindfulness/comment-page-1/#comment-5964</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of their ideas are in the Philokalia.  I'd also recommend "Discernment and Truth: The Spirituality and Theology of Knowledge" by Mark McIntyre, an Episcopal theologian.

In a nutshell, the desert fathers and mothers understanding of theology was that it was a therapeutic science.  Its aim was to cleanse the "nous" or power of apprehension.  Part of this cleansing was becoming aware of thoughts themselves as they entered the mind and progressed into the will.  The "bad thoughts" were known as "logismoi", which they thought were demonically sent, or arose from our own fallen nature.

The best way to undestand the concept of "logismoi" is to think of them as obsessive thought viruses, addictive and circular.   If they were allowed into the mind, they would attach themselves to the nous and darken it.  The effect of this would be to make the person ever more compulsive and non-reflective in his actions, with eventually no contemplation between the logismoi's provocation and the human agent's action and response...no "thinking about thinking".

Even if a person doesn't like the metaphysics of it, its interesting stuff.  Kind of an ancient desert memetics.

One of the Wakeful Fathers might say that what you sketched was the "face" of a logismoi, so to speak, circling around your nous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of their ideas are in the Philokalia.  I&#8217;d also recommend &#8220;Discernment and Truth: The Spirituality and Theology of Knowledge&#8221; by Mark McIntyre, an Episcopal theologian.</p>
<p>In a nutshell, the desert fathers and mothers understanding of theology was that it was a therapeutic science.  Its aim was to cleanse the &#8220;nous&#8221; or power of apprehension.  Part of this cleansing was becoming aware of thoughts themselves as they entered the mind and progressed into the will.  The &#8220;bad thoughts&#8221; were known as &#8220;logismoi&#8221;, which they thought were demonically sent, or arose from our own fallen nature.</p>
<p>The best way to undestand the concept of &#8220;logismoi&#8221; is to think of them as obsessive thought viruses, addictive and circular.   If they were allowed into the mind, they would attach themselves to the nous and darken it.  The effect of this would be to make the person ever more compulsive and non-reflective in his actions, with eventually no contemplation between the logismoi&#8217;s provocation and the human agent&#8217;s action and response&#8230;no &#8220;thinking about thinking&#8221;.</p>
<p>Even if a person doesn&#8217;t like the metaphysics of it, its interesting stuff.  Kind of an ancient desert memetics.</p>
<p>One of the Wakeful Fathers might say that what you sketched was the &#8220;face&#8221; of a logismoi, so to speak, circling around your nous.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed That Goes Ping</title>
		<link>http://goesping.org/archives/2005/12/14/mindfulness/comment-page-1/#comment-5963</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed That Goes Ping</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mercedes!  I'm not aware of anything in GR, but I haven't really looked that hard.  I'm mostly in touch with people on the nvc-parenting mailing list.  Do you know of anything NVCish going on in MI?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mercedes!  I&#8217;m not aware of anything in GR, but I haven&#8217;t really looked that hard.  I&#8217;m mostly in touch with people on the nvc-parenting mailing list.  Do you know of anything NVCish going on in MI?</p>
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		<title>By: mercedes</title>
		<link>http://goesping.org/archives/2005/12/14/mindfulness/comment-page-1/#comment-5962</link>
		<dc:creator>mercedes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 05:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey ed i am from mich, grand ledge to be exact. 
I love that you have read Marshall'swork and Kelly Bryson as well. do you know of any NVC groups happening in GR?

I will be there for xmas and hopeing to connecting with other mindful compassionate folk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey ed i am from mich, grand ledge to be exact.<br />
I love that you have read Marshall&#8217;swork and Kelly Bryson as well. do you know of any NVC groups happening in GR?</p>
<p>I will be there for xmas and hopeing to connecting with other mindful compassionate folk.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed That Goes Ping</title>
		<link>http://goesping.org/archives/2005/12/14/mindfulness/comment-page-1/#comment-5961</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed That Goes Ping</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never heard of the Wakeful Fathers but would love to know more about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never heard of the Wakeful Fathers but would love to know more about them.</p>
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